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	<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
	
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		<title>Comment on If you supported the Make Education Fair campaign you are a retard. by Malfoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malfoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think it's about censorship in honesty. You know I've worked on and supported that campaign from the moment it was announced - and that I'd never, ever suggest that the government should censor freedom of expression. I just wish there was some semblance of balance in class - but you know what, I made the choice to change degrees because I didn't like it! I'd hate an overtly conservative classroom just as much - education is about broadening the mind, not indoctrination or stagnation or anything else, which is why the status quo on campus bothers me so much.

(It'd be better if universities were deregulated and privatised - might solve a lot of these problems.)

(Also still think you've basically missed the point on what people were complaining about. Don't know if you've seen the content of my old teaching course but it was disgustingly one-sided and I'd prefer not to be marked down for not buying into groupthink. Thankfully UTS likes intellectual pluralism more than USyd, even if they like feminist and indigenous issues a little too much. But, you know, at least they're open to other viewpoints - and besides, if you cannot face other viewpoints then it might just be because you're worried you won't be able to justify your own i.e. your support for your own views is weak or irrational. That of course applies to both sides of this debate.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s about censorship in honesty. You know I&#8217;ve worked on and supported that campaign from the moment it was announced - and that I&#8217;d never, ever suggest that the government should censor freedom of expression. I just wish there was some semblance of balance in class - but you know what, I made the choice to change degrees because I didn&#8217;t like it! I&#8217;d hate an overtly conservative classroom just as much - education is about broadening the mind, not indoctrination or stagnation or anything else, which is why the status quo on campus bothers me so much.</p>
<p>(It&#8217;d be better if universities were deregulated and privatised - might solve a lot of these problems.)</p>
<p>(Also still think you&#8217;ve basically missed the point on what people were complaining about. Don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve seen the content of my old teaching course but it was disgustingly one-sided and I&#8217;d prefer not to be marked down for not buying into groupthink. Thankfully UTS likes intellectual pluralism more than USyd, even if they like feminist and indigenous issues a little too much. But, you know, at least they&#8217;re open to other viewpoints - and besides, if you cannot face other viewpoints then it might just be because you&#8217;re worried you won&#8217;t be able to justify your own i.e. your support for your own views is weak or irrational. That of course applies to both sides of this debate.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Libertarianism and Christianity have nothing to do with one another by Malfoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malfoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, I don't think libertarianism or classical liberalism came directly FROM Christianity, but I think there is a case that they are compatible with each other, and there's at least one author of the Austrian school who's actually written a book on this matter. Not all religions are filled with Hillsong types trying to suppress individual liberties - that's a sweeping assumption and one that's false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I don&#8217;t think libertarianism or classical liberalism came directly FROM Christianity, but I think there is a case that they are compatible with each other, and there&#8217;s at least one author of the Austrian school who&#8217;s actually written a book on this matter. Not all religions are filled with Hillsong types trying to suppress individual liberties - that&#8217;s a sweeping assumption and one that&#8217;s false.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If you supported the Make Education Fair campaign you are a retard. by Pages tagged "team sleep"</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pages tagged "team sleep"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bookmarks tagged team sleep If you supported the Make Education Fair campaign ...&#160;saved by 3 others  &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;serenitywheeler bookmarked on 12/29/08 &#124; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bookmarks tagged team sleep If you supported the Make Education Fair campaign &#8230;&nbsp;saved by 3 others  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;serenitywheeler bookmarked on 12/29/08 | [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who killed Quadrant? and other Conservative Jokes by Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘Make Education Fair’ lol.

Try asking any academic in the faculty of business what they think the role of unions in the workplace should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Make Education Fair’ lol.</p>
<p>Try asking any academic in the faculty of business what they think the role of unions in the workplace should be.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cracking the shits with 1and1 by Malfoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malfoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man, looking forward to that stuff on Make Education Fair... I'm posting on another forum where even strong lefties are admitting the conclusion of the inquiry was shifty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, looking forward to that stuff on Make Education Fair&#8230; I&#8217;m posting on another forum where even strong lefties are admitting the conclusion of the inquiry was shifty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Man Australia has some really fucking dumb judges by See the most talked about girls "NAKED"</title>
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		<dc:creator>See the most talked about girls "NAKED"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;See the most talked about girls "NAKED"...&lt;/strong&gt;

The NAKED truth will be reveal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>See the most talked about girls &#8220;NAKED&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The NAKED truth will be reveal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who killed Quadrant? and other Conservative Jokes by Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoffery Blainey is my favouritest conservative Australian intellectual ever</description>
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		<title>Comment on Who killed Quadrant? and other Conservative Jokes by Malfoy</title>
		<link>http://www.ultimatescienceteam.com/who-killed-quadrant-and-other-conservative-jokes/comment-page-1#comment-798</link>
		<dc:creator>Malfoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I want to know what the fuck it is too.

Agree on the need for conservative/libertarian/right-of-centre intellectualism though - the lack of it is something that frustrates me more than anything. 

The Make Education Fair stuff? Not so much. As someone who worked on that and has written quite a lot on it for various places, I can tell you that not all of the submissions were like that and that it continues to be a real problem, especially in the humanities and education faculties. Nearly anyone who is not left-wing would have a story on this - I was speaking to a family friend who said that this slant was prevalent even as far back as at his time at university, and said it needed to be fixed. 

At the same time, to have a massively conservative education would bother me just the same. Balance is key. I wouldn't mind learning all of this left-wing crap if I could balance it out with something. At least it gives me an excuse to argue in class and research my own viewpoint more so that I can write well-researched, non-left wing assignments where I can't be accused of not understanding the material or critically analysing the issues. Those benefits, however, are not worth the amount of times I've walked out of class in a stabby rage wanting to throw course readers at people!

The dismissing of it as having an "undergraduate tone" merely reinforces my belief that ivory tower intellectuals are elitist, condemning anything they disagree with as ill-informed. I suppose the academics and other intellectuals who contributed, such as Mark Lopez and a couple of others, are also anti-intellectual. But, you know, it's trendy to dismiss anyone critical of the politicisation of the classroom, and critical of the movement towards a "social justice" view of education... 

I do think the campaign could have been better put together in terms of the writing of it (at least from what I've seen) but the thing is that the fact that the left dominate universities, unfortunately, is symptomatic of the right-of-centre political culture of anti-intellectualism - so the two do tie in together somewhat. I'd daresay, however, that it's a vicious circle as those who are right-of-centre, even if they were keen to become part of intellectual or academic circles, would probably be dismissed as the left-wing culture of educational institutions (at least secondary/tertiary education) has been quite entrenched and is not open to differing views. You'll find that a lot of the cultural left claim pluralism and tolerance, but that extends only to the notion of tolerance for what they believe in, and not real freedom of speech (to be fair, some on the right would have the same attitude.) It would be very tough for any non-left wing academic to break into the field, I'd think, which only perpetuates the cycle.

(Note: this comment probably makes very little sense as I am quite exhausted and tend to blather when I reach this level of tiredness. Short answer is that I agree with you on the need for intellectuals on the right but disagree with your denigration of Make Education Fair, long answer is that fostering a culture of intellectualism would be quite difficult for a variety of reasons but we need to try.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I want to know what the fuck it is too.</p>
<p>Agree on the need for conservative/libertarian/right-of-centre intellectualism though - the lack of it is something that frustrates me more than anything. </p>
<p>The Make Education Fair stuff? Not so much. As someone who worked on that and has written quite a lot on it for various places, I can tell you that not all of the submissions were like that and that it continues to be a real problem, especially in the humanities and education faculties. Nearly anyone who is not left-wing would have a story on this - I was speaking to a family friend who said that this slant was prevalent even as far back as at his time at university, and said it needed to be fixed. </p>
<p>At the same time, to have a massively conservative education would bother me just the same. Balance is key. I wouldn&#8217;t mind learning all of this left-wing crap if I could balance it out with something. At least it gives me an excuse to argue in class and research my own viewpoint more so that I can write well-researched, non-left wing assignments where I can&#8217;t be accused of not understanding the material or critically analysing the issues. Those benefits, however, are not worth the amount of times I&#8217;ve walked out of class in a stabby rage wanting to throw course readers at people!</p>
<p>The dismissing of it as having an &#8220;undergraduate tone&#8221; merely reinforces my belief that ivory tower intellectuals are elitist, condemning anything they disagree with as ill-informed. I suppose the academics and other intellectuals who contributed, such as Mark Lopez and a couple of others, are also anti-intellectual. But, you know, it&#8217;s trendy to dismiss anyone critical of the politicisation of the classroom, and critical of the movement towards a &#8220;social justice&#8221; view of education&#8230; </p>
<p>I do think the campaign could have been better put together in terms of the writing of it (at least from what I&#8217;ve seen) but the thing is that the fact that the left dominate universities, unfortunately, is symptomatic of the right-of-centre political culture of anti-intellectualism - so the two do tie in together somewhat. I&#8217;d daresay, however, that it&#8217;s a vicious circle as those who are right-of-centre, even if they were keen to become part of intellectual or academic circles, would probably be dismissed as the left-wing culture of educational institutions (at least secondary/tertiary education) has been quite entrenched and is not open to differing views. You&#8217;ll find that a lot of the cultural left claim pluralism and tolerance, but that extends only to the notion of tolerance for what they believe in, and not real freedom of speech (to be fair, some on the right would have the same attitude.) It would be very tough for any non-left wing academic to break into the field, I&#8217;d think, which only perpetuates the cycle.</p>
<p>(Note: this comment probably makes very little sense as I am quite exhausted and tend to blather when I reach this level of tiredness. Short answer is that I agree with you on the need for intellectuals on the right but disagree with your denigration of Make Education Fair, long answer is that fostering a culture of intellectualism would be quite difficult for a variety of reasons but we need to try.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who killed Quadrant? and other Conservative Jokes by Schrodinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schrodinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the fuck is this</description>
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		<title>Comment on Summer and a Video for y&#8217;all by annaspades</title>
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		<dc:creator>annaspades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like more conspiracy pieces, based on a compilation of spurious evidence including anagrams of various known terrorist cells.

Maybe you could have a lifestyle section? Themed monthly astrological predictions. Accounts of fanfic-esque dedications to The Love God, Richard Mercer. Recipes only containing ingredients from corporations that at some time had Nazi affiliations (cross reference, see 'Conspiracies').  

And more ranting. TBH, the ranting has always been what the punters come to see, and is the cherished soul of this blag. Noone has had a good, solid, verbose rant for a while. I suspect that these days it all gets lost in the BOS abyss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like more conspiracy pieces, based on a compilation of spurious evidence including anagrams of various known terrorist cells.</p>
<p>Maybe you could have a lifestyle section? Themed monthly astrological predictions. Accounts of fanfic-esque dedications to The Love God, Richard Mercer. Recipes only containing ingredients from corporations that at some time had Nazi affiliations (cross reference, see &#8216;Conspiracies&#8217;).  </p>
<p>And more ranting. TBH, the ranting has always been what the punters come to see, and is the cherished soul of this blag. Noone has had a good, solid, verbose rant for a while. I suspect that these days it all gets lost in the BOS abyss.</p>
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